I’ve been reflecting on my past experiences as a young actress in Hollywood, and I can’t help but feel a mix of emotions when I think about my time filming “Victorious.” On one hand, it was an incredible opportunity that I seized with both hands, something I had dreamed of since I was a little girl. But on the other hand, I now understand that the industry can be ruthless and unforgiving to those who are not prepared or protected.
I’ve spent the majority of the past 15 years portraying bold, sarcastic, and independent women on TV. Following my success as Jade West, the unpredictable character I played on Nickelodeon’s “Victorious,” I moved on to embody similar rebellious adult roles. I joined Denis Leary’s cast as his daughter in “Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll” on FX and breathed new life into Fallon Carrington for the CW’s contemporary adaptation of “Dynasty.”
During the fifth and last season of “Dynasty,” Gillies received an offer to both star in and produce “Spread,” a new film set to debut on Tubi on July 19. Directed by Ellie Kanner and penned by Buffy Charlet, this upcoming production introduces Ruby, a struggling journalist and penniless woman, who must humble herself and accept a temporary position at Spread, an outdated adult magazine. Impressing her boss Frank Ferretti, an aging industry leader yearning for his past triumphs (played by Harvey Keitel), Ruby is assigned the challenging task of revitalizing and broadening Spread’s editorial approach using a groundbreaking app, in a desperate attempt to prevent the company from collapsing financially.
“Working with Ellie and Buffy on our movie was an enjoyable experience for me. I believe it caters to both men and women’s interests without being exclusive or off-putting for either gender. I ensured we didn’t create a production solely focused on the male perspective, so I’m confident we struck a good balance between engaging audiences of all genders.” (Gillies shares with EbMaster)
The movie provides Gillies with the chance to display her skills in slapstick humor. She shares, “At one moment, I was given approximately fourteen sex toys to juggle, and I selected the most amusing ones with the quirkiest functions.” She expresses her joy, “I relish such challenges. My acting background is solely in musical theater and improv. Consequently, whenever I get to bring laughter and handle humorous items, I’m elated.”
In an extensive interview, Gillies discusses her aspirations for “Spread” to shatter misconceptions regarding the adult industry, her journey to assert control in Hollywood, and her imminent music releases. She further reveals how the controversial Investigation Discovery series “Quiet on Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV” caused her to reflect upon her past at Nickelodeon. Notably, she watched this thought-provoking show simultaneously with Ariana Grande over FaceTime.
As a movie enthusiast, I’d say that “Spread” drew inspiration from Buffy Charlet’s actual life story as a temporary worker at Hustler, who eventually climbed up the corporate ladder. In the movie, how did my own experiences in that setting shape Ruby’s character development? I can recall feeling the same sense of determination and resilience as Ruby, pushing through challenges and learning valuable lessons from each experience along the way. It made me understand her motivations and growth much more deeply, making our journey together on screen all the more engaging.
Her experience was probably so unique. The fact that she was the only woman, or one of the only women, that became a female copy editor from a temp position at Hustler — that couldn’t have been easy for her. I think what she saw every day was insane, comically, but also [I was interested in] the way things went down, the way problems were handled and ideas were presented, and who was listened to and who wasn’t. So I talked to Buffy a lot about her experience. She shared some wild stories with me that I really couldn’t believe but also could.
I think it’s a story about, amongst other things, finding yourself. My character, Ruby, comes into this situation incredibly judgmental, and she’s deeming herself too smart and her taste too good for a place like this, and [she thinks] the people who work there are beneath her. [Spread] helps her find who she is; she finds a community and discovers so much about herself. So I thought it really was a story about personal growth, and finding yourself in the least likely of places, and not to judge a book by its cover — and how we’re really never done evolving. But then somebody else said, “Oh, I thought it was about a girl who was smarter than everyone and came in and fixed everything.” I said, “Well, yeah, that, too! Both things can be true at once!”
Ruby comes across as rather faulty and critical. She presents herself as a strong feminist, but then she looks down on porn actors, which goes against her feminist beliefs. However, she eventually learns from her mistakes and develops.
What is your intention when challenging typical stereotypes or erroneous beliefs in mainstream culture regarding the adult film industry?
I think there’s a lot of ignorance around the entire thing. There’s a moment in the bar where Ruby is so freaked out by Lexi — this young adult star who’s incredibly confident, strong and fun, and happens to be at Spread because she enjoys her job. Lexi picks up the phone and talks to her child on the phone, and you see Ruby’s face just perplexed, which is really so dumb because of course, these women have children and lives and homes and husbands and wives and whatever. But Ruby’s so close-minded, like so many of us are, that she just can’t fathom that this woman is a mother, or would be doing this because it makes her happy.
It’s clear that just because we don’t work in a particular field doesn’t make us superior. There’s absolutely nothing shameful about that line of work, and it can be quite empowering at times. In our film, we aimed to portray all our female characters as strong and self-determined individuals who were in control of their own lives and destinies. People’s reasons for entering that industry or staying in it come in various shapes and sizes.
When I first met Frank, I assumed he was just an older gentleman with questionable intentions, trying to recapture his past with younger company. However, as our interactions deepened while working with Harvey Keitel, I discovered a surprising depth of kindness and warmth in his words towards Ruby. What were some heartfelt insights you gained from collaborating closely with Mr. Keitel?
Harvey was a joy to collaborate with and always up for a challenge. His passion for acting shone through, making it captivating when someone with such an accomplished background entered the set with unwavering excitement and a playful spirit for improvisation.
As a film enthusiast, I’m deeply moved by the unique bond they share. It’s not the typical father-daughter dynamic, but there’s something comforting about his presence that makes me think of a beloved grandfather figure. He may be older and associated with the magazine, but he comes across as a friend rather than a stranger. There’s an authenticity to their interactions that feels genuine and free of any awkwardness or unease.
“Exploring the concept of women’s power in a field traditionally ruled by men, “Spread” asks: How did you discover your unique perspective as a professional in TV and film production?”
During my time on “Victorious,” I didn’t shy away from expressing my opinions, whether it was sharing my reservations or voicing my desires. I took advantage of opportunities to expand my knowledge by asking if I could observe editing sessions and join the video village to learn from the director. My reasoning then, as well as now, is that the more I educate myself, the broader my skillset will be, enabling me to accomplish more and ultimately having greater control over my abilities.
Becoming the director of “Dynasty” was a significant achievement for me, and I’m delighted it happened twice. It was a pivotal moment as I discovered my deep-rooted passion for this role and aim to continue in this capacity throughout my career. On any project I’m involved in, I naturally assume the producer role, suggesting ideas like potential castings or storylines for future seasons. However, I ensure my suggestions are always respectful and not self-serving.
As a film enthusiast, I’m thrilled at the prospect of donning the producer hat for a movie. The experience of being involved from casting to editing is truly captivating. It’s fascinating to watch a movie take shape and observe how every decision, big or small, can significantly impact the final product. My passion for this industry knows no bounds, and producing allows me to explore its depths in a more comprehensive way. Of course, acting holds its own allure, but I crave the freedom and responsibility that comes with producing. The more roles I get to play in this creative realm, the more fulfilled I feel.
Have you gained a notable image for portraying powerful females seeking validation from outside sources? Was this a deliberate decision by you, or is it because the industry has mainly casted you in such roles?
In my opinion, I’ve encountered a lot of situations where I was drawn to women who appeared weak, but they quickly dismissed me for the role I was trying to portray. I believe I was misreading their characters and unintentionally playing the part of a helpless man. Instead of insisting on these roles, I wait for opportunities where the woman is strong and confident. I enjoy and excel in those parts.
In the future, I’m excited about the possibility of taking on more unusual roles alongside these powerful women. I don’t mean quirky in a cringeworthy, young adult film sort of way with clumsy antics and mishaps. Instead, I want to explore truly strange characters. I’d jump at the chance to wear prosthetics again and even consider taking on roles in horror movies as monstrous creatures that only communicate through sounds. I recently provided voiceovers for rats in Ariana’s music video!
I’ve always been a bit of a maverick, embracing the unusual and the quirky. As I approach my 31st year of life, I’m more determined than ever to lean into the weirdness that makes me who I am. It’s not about putting on a show for others or being something I’m not. Rather, it’s about embracing the authenticity and uniqueness that comes from my experiences and perspectives. Of course, there may be those who prefer the familiar or the predictable. But for me, I see this next year as an opportunity to explore new possibilities, to embrace the strange and the unexpected. It might not always be easy, but it will certainly be an adventure. And if at times I find myself falling back into old patterns or playing it safe, well, that’s just another version of myself – one that I’m still learning to accept and appreciate.
Are you ever worried about being typecast?
After “Victorious” with Jade, I found myself being offered only similar roles. Essentially, I’m being recast in a new production with the same character type. That’s about it.
But to be fair, the characters you’ve played have evolved and matured as you’ve gotten older.
As an actor who has experienced the challenges of typecasting firsthand, I can attest to the fact that it’s a tough nut to crack. Yet, I’ve come to appreciate the silver lining behind this seemingly daunting situation. When audiences connect deeply with a role you’ve played and remember you for it, it’s an honor and a testament to your craft. These meaningful connections can pave the way for a lasting career. So while typecasting may not be ideal, I try to focus on the positive – the fans who have embraced my work and the potential for continued growth within the industry. Ultimately, I believe that the power dynamics between myself, my fans, and the industry are complex, and it’s up to each of us to navigate them with grace and determination.
Moving ahead, you mentioned a desire for greater artistic freedom in your projects. Have you determined your next steps in acting? Is it possible that you’ll revisit network television at some point?
I must admit, “Dynasty’s” extended run and the extensive time commitment it required took me by surprise. With a span of five seasons and 22 episodes annually, this hour-long drama series is quite an anomaly in today’s television landscape. While I am beyond grateful for my opportunity to be part of such a successful show, the sheer size of this commitment means that a significant portion of my life has been dedicated to it. It’s not just about the number of years; it’s the consistency and dedication required each season that makes it an impressive feat.
If given the chance, I’d happily switch roles daily. I’d be a regular on Saturday Night Live (SNL). Any unusual skit Fallon hosted that seemed senseless was likely due to my restlessness, and I’d often ask, “Why not let me play my own mother in Season 2?” Amazingly, the producers granted my request, adding prosthetics for the part.
I’m open to taking on exciting scripts and compelling characters, but currently, I’m leaning towards shorter-term projects that allow me to be involved in multiple projects rather than just one long-term commitment.
Is there a particular genre that you’re particularly looking to tackle next?
Currently, I’m working on a few projects that excite me and hope to tackle in the future. My preference leans towards something related to music, although the details are still unclear. Additionally, I’ve been itching to create an audacious, humorous, and authentic comedy piece using my distinct brand of humor. If anyone is interested, let’s collaborate on this exciting venture!
During the pandemic, you worked with Seth Macfarlane on a jazz album called “Songs From Home.” Last year, you both put out a Christmas album titled “We Wish You the Merriest.” Do you have plans to create and release more music as a collaborative duo in the near future?
As the holiday season approaches once more, my partner and I find ourselves basking in the Christmas spirit. While it may seem like an exaggeration, I must confess that we do feel a sense of regality during this joyous time. However, let me clarify that we are not actually royalty – just avid enthusiasts who eagerly anticipate the magic of Christmas.
Is there a particular reason you haven’t released a solo album yet?
I’m quite particular about things, especially when it comes to music, and I can be quite critical. In fact, I may be more critical of music than acting. I’ve been putting in a lot of effort lately, so I’m optimistic that the outcome will be positive. It’s taking longer than I had hoped, but I’ll keep you updated as things progress.
Your fans have been hounding you for a solo album for years.
Since I turned 16, I’ve been dealing with their pressure, but there’s more to it – I don’t want to disappoint them.
Approximately two decades ago, a demonstration recording of mine titled “Bam Bam Bam” became publicly available. I believe my collaborator Sy (Rhys Kaye) inadvertently uploaded it to SoundCloud, which was against the rules. Despite this mishap, the demo found its way onto YouTube and has been circulating for years. At that time, I was around 16 or 17 years old, and I included it as a bonus track at the end of [“Spread”].
As a long-time film enthusiast and creator, I can truly appreciate the effort and thoughtfulness that goes into making a movie. Having been through the ups and downs of bringing a project to life, I fully understand the importance of connecting with your audience in a meaningful way.
It’s hard to believe that next year marks the 15-year anniversary of the “Victorious” pilot.
I’m amazed! Parents with young daughters approach me, asking to dye their hair like Jade’s from the show. I’m left wondering how they discovered this series. Yet, Netflix continues to attract new viewers, which is truly remarkable. I can’t express enough positivity towards people enjoying the show, even after all these years.
After going through the ups and downs of working in this industry, how do you promote change on sets by having greater creative influence in your current projects? Do you sense a strong urge to serve as a trailblazer for the upcoming female generation in the film industry?
As a fan of the ongoing conversation about child acting, I’m thrilled that this discussion is taking place and the industry is shifting towards better protection and care for young actors. Looking back at my own experience, I was fortunate enough to have supportive parents who instilled in me the courage to speak up and address any discomfort I faced. Acting wasn’t my only focus in life; they made sure I understood that.
As a movie lover and an observer of the entertainment industry, I’ve noticed that it can be tempting for those who are older to remain quiet when they’re surrounded by younger talents. This is not only in the film industry but also extends to music and other creative fields.
For women, being assertive can sometimes be seen as a negative trait, labeled as difficult or bossy. However, it’s crucial for us to project strength, intelligence, and awareness while standing up for ourselves and participating in decision-making processes. Actors may feel like they have no control over their roles, especially when young or new to the industry. But remember, you are not a puppet; make your own choices and strive to be taken seriously.
“It’s important for me to acknowledge that not all women are able or feel comfortable speaking up. While I may be more vocal and expressive due to my personality and background, it’s unfair and unrealistic of me to expect the same from everyone. However, I strongly believe that using one’s voice is crucial when possible, as it can make a difference.”
Have the recent revelations from child actors about mistreatment on sets, as depicted in the docuseries “Quiet on Set,” caused you to reflect upon your own experiences while working on “Victorious”?
After our FaceTime session with Ariana, we took some time to reflect on our experience. We watched key moments back together and later in the week or the following week, we had an in-depth conversation where we discussed and analyzed everything that had happened. There was a great deal to cover.
Reflecting on past experiences with rose-tinted glasses can be challenging when new information emerges or our perspective changes as adults. Reworking memories isn’t always a bad thing; it allows us to reconsider and possibly gain new insights. This introspective process is essential, and we have gone through it together as a team. I’m grateful for the strong bonds I share with my cast and Ari, which allowed us to support each other during this reflective journey. We leaned on one another, discussed our thoughts, and provided emotional support throughout this process.
Based on the information you have, what measures do you believe are necessary to ensure greater safety for child actors?
Based on my experiences as a parent and having worked in the entertainment industry for many years, I strongly believe that parents should have the flexibility to be present whenever they can, especially when their children are young. However, I also understand the importance of having a responsible guardian figure around during shoots or productions.
It’s important to consider having a psychiatrist or psychologist assess a child before they begin working on a set or show, as the experience can be quite overwhelming for them and may result in feelings of being trapped or pressured. The decision should not be made by the parents alone, as it could potentially lead to negative outcomes. Instead, the child’s desire and readiness to work should be the primary factors. Additionally, it’s crucial that children are treated with respect on set and their childhood is prioritized amidst an adult work environment. This is a complex issue.
Acting was my passion and desire, the one thing I longed to do daily with dedication. However, for a child forced by parents into this field without interest, the thought is unimaginable. I can’t fathom the struggle of someone who loathes acting and feels compelled to endure it every day as a chore. For me, it was a pleasure, but for another person, it could be an utter nightmare. The analogy here would be if someone forced me to play baseball for ten hours straight – I’d be in tears at night. It all comes down to doing what we love versus being trapped in a job that brings misery. All jobs, including sports and acting, come with their challenges. If you don’t know your path or are unaware of the commitment required, the experience can be devastating for your emotional wellbeing.
It seems like the consensus is that there should be a dedicated therapist on set for child actors.
I strongly believe we should consider bringing in a therapist. In my opinion, this could be an effective decision, especially prior to and following our sessions, and perhaps even during them for ongoing support.
“Spread” premieres on Tubi on July 19. This interview has been edited and condensed.
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