‘I’d Better Watch Out or I’m Gonna Fall in Love With This Guy’

Reflecting upon the extraordinary journey of Juliette Binoche and Ralph Fiennes, two titans of cinematic art, I find myself awestruck by their shared dedication to their craft and the enchanting friendship that has blossomed over the years. Their paths have intertwined through some of the most captivating films of our time, each performance a testament to their profound talent.

In this hotel room in New York, I find myself seated alongside Ralph Fiennes, our laughter echoing like that of two mischievous kids. We’re here for our latest film, “The Return,” but the conversation has taken an unexpected turn, leading us down memory lane, reminiscing about our 30-plus years of collaboration and friendship.

Over a span of 32 years, Juliette Binoche and Ralph Fiennes have shared the screen in three films, each based on classic literature: first as Cathy and Heathcliff in Peter Kosminsky’s controversial adaptation of “Wuthering Heights”; then as the tender, grieving nurse Hana and her tormented patient Laszlo de Almasy in the beloved Oscar-winning film “The English Patient”; more recently, on December 6, in Uberto Pasolini’s rendition of “The Odyssey,” they portrayed a grizzled, brooding Odysseus and his distant wife Penelope. All three films are adaptations of literature and have romantic themes, albeit in different ways. In two out of the three movies, Fiennes’ character is melancholic until he meets his end (in the third film, it is implied that his character has passed away). Their on-screen relationship varies across these films: from a passionate, tragic love story; to a platonic bond; and an angst-ridden yet unwavering affection.

In their real-life relationship, things are as intricate as a puzzle. Binoche compares their bond to that of siblings, yet they both acknowledge having had romantic feelings for each other throughout the years. They seem to be captivated by one another. Fiennes freely admits to being envious, though benignly so, of Binoche’s career success, although both have had and continue to have remarkable careers. Binoche is more outspoken, while Fiennes sometimes appears surprised and bashfully shy in response to her candidness. When Binoche discovers that I had a candid conversation with her ex and co-star Benoit Magimel a year ago, she becomes excited and playfully teases me about it. “Are you enjoying these interviews?” she asks, laughing. “Are we going to talk about all the actors you’re working with? All the couples?!” Fiennes adds playfully, “If you interview any other male actors, I’ll be quite envious.

I can recall that our paths first crossed under the guidance of Ileen Maisel, Mary Selway, and director Peter Kosminsky during the casting for Wuthering Heights. We met in a Mayfair room where we read together. To be honest, I was quite starstruck as I had already seen you in Unbearable Lightness of Being. Needless to say, I was quite thrilled and a bit nervous.

Juliette Binoche: The first time I laid eyes on you was through that doorway in my room. As soon as I set my gaze upon him, I exclaimed, “Oh my goodness! I’d better be careful or I might fall head over heels for this man.” Upon hearing his voice, I thought, “My goodness, he sounds just like Daniel Day-Lewis! This is going to be a challenge!” [They both laugh.]

R.F.: As good as, yeah.

J.B.: And we went on a journey of Wuthering Heights. It was a difficult shoot.

R.F.: It was difficult.

J.B.: It was six days shooting per week and I was playing two roles, a mother and a daughter.

R.F.: Is that the first time you were performing in English?

Response: That’s not correct, but what is true is that I needed to change my accent to sound more British within a span of just about a month and a half. After this, I relocated to Yorkshire and experienced all that came with it.

Furthermore, there might have been explanations that remained hidden, yet the overall structure of the production felt disjointed. Running it proved to be somewhat complicated.

As a devoted cinephile, I found myself intrigued by the fact that this Wuthering Heights adaptation was being brought to life by British Paramount. The book, after all, is not your typical romantic tale; it’s a raw, brutal exploration of love, with Heathcliff as a complex, often unromantic character. The story is rich in shadows and darkness, reflecting the ugliness that gives it depth.

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For my initial film debut, it was indeed Wuthering Heights, contrary to popular belief about Schindler’s List. Due to its delayed U.S. release, people often confuse the two. Working on such a challenging production alongside someone I deeply respected, Juliette, certainly brought a sense of camaraderie and support.

J.B.: When you were shooting five days a week, there wasn’t much time for cooking or running errands, and I didn’t have any assistance. However, Ralph prepared meals for me on occasion, which was like a taste of heaven, making me feel cared for. One day off, you escorted me for a walk near the stone-filled sea featured in the movie. We had a profound conversation about our lives and upbringings. When I reflect on that moment, it feels as though I can still hear your words and sense that you were truly listening. That connection was powerful and hard to come by. It remains very touching and uncommon.

Movie Critic J.B.: There was an extraordinary link, a bond as strong as that between siblings. It struck me deeply, causing my eyes to well up with emotion.

We both deeply appreciate our work and the pursuit of its deeper meaning. I’m always amazed by your ability to uncover truths in our projects together and independently. This friendship we share has endured through the challenges of filming, high expectations, and long hours. It’s comforting to have a friend like you during these times, and I appreciate how you lighten the mood with your playful teasing that keeps me grounded.

J.B.: It’s easy to do that with you. [Both laugh.]

J.B.: We joke about everything! The term “deep” signifies truth, but it also means being open and honest. We aim to peel back layers, remove masks – the defenses we need to put up in order to navigate this world. It’s wonderful to converse with each other, listen to one another, and maintain a space of openness.

Your thoughts remind me of the time we discussed working on “The Return.” We crossed paths when we were both filming in Georgia, and we sat down to discuss “The Odyssey.” Umberto is an exceptional director, but like all directors, he had a vision for a pivotal scene in the movie. That scene, I believe, serves as the fundamental turning point in our characters’ relationship. During our conversation, you eloquently expressed your desire for us to discover it, to be present while we discover it, and for the camera choices to reflect the dynamics between us. While there are numerous ways to direct a film, your words seemed to echo both of ours, suggesting that we should trust our instincts and simply perform.

Occasionally, you need to struggle for both internal and external areas. Certain directors instinctively grasp this concept. Andrei Tarkovsky and Wim Wenders are two such examples. Uberto was determined to get it right – at times he wanted to predict, manage the circumstances. However, he quickly realized that he needed to step back and let us handle things, as we had no idea how it would unfold!

J.B.: No, I didn’t have a united front with the director in Wuthering Heights early on because I was quite tied up with the work and our relationship wasn’t as smooth as it became later. In The English Patient, we were allies too, but since you were lying down most of the time, you relied on me more, if I may say so with a chuckle.

R.F.: I was!

In simpler terms, you were largely immobile, leaving me with a lot of freedom to act as I pleased. You had extensive makeup on for hours, while I moved about freely, returning whenever I wished.

Anthony Minghella was simply exceptional. He had a knack for providing room for creativity, often asking, “What can you reveal to me? I’m eager to learn.” Watching him work was truly captivating. Your bond with Anthony was uniquely meaningful.

J.B.: You were a little jealous of it.

R.F.: I was. I was! Benignly jealous.

J.B.: Lovely jealous.

Were you trying to get nearer to Anthony, as we were in a relationship, or were you drawn towards someone else creatively?

J.B.: Connection.

R.F.: I mean, I probably can be quite sort of moody and prickly.

J.B.: That was okay for the character. It served the character.

You might find me a bit reserved. I observe that you’re quite open with Anthony, and I’m present, just as I am with my makeup on.

J.B.: And you couldn’t laugh in the makeup!

R.F.: I was imprisoned in latex.

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J.B.: When I reread the interviews we did around that period, it’s amusing to see how you described yourself as moody and me as more open. These were also the descriptions given by the media about us. Did these characterizations resonate with you, Juliette? Was there truth in them, or was I simply moody, while you were more open? For me, my role was challenging because it involved delving into complex emotions, such as rebirth, falling in love again, and caring for a patient until the end. It was a deeply moving experience. There was even a scene where I flew through a church, which wasn’t in the book. But it brought a sense of joy and lightness. On the other hand, Ralph had to grapple with something tragic – living with the memory of his love dying alone in a cage. This weighed heavily on him.

At a younger age, I now understand, you build a shield. You have expectations and pressures which, without conscious thought, create a kind of defensive barrier that might influence your interactions with the director. It’s hard to say how much I’ve evolved, but I believe I was quite apprehensive, wondering things like “What does this mean?” I thought I was being thorough, but I think at times it could be more about defense rather than understanding. I had more defensive barriers back then. Maybe I’ve discarded a few since then.

It’s my recollection that we were lodged at the same hotel, with our accommodations situated side by side. I wasn’t aware of this until I overheard your call.

R.F.: I did.

At one point, I found myself shouting due to my boyfriend’s intense jealousy at the time. I couldn’t fathom why he could be so jealous given that I was being absolutely flawless! It turned out we were near each other in the hotel, and then I felt embarrassed for having shouted so loudly. However, it ended up making us laugh heartily.

Did you say to her, “I heard you on the phone”?
J.B.: Yeah, you said that!

R.F.: Did I say that? “I heard you shouting last night”?

J.B.: Yes! With my boyfriend, who was crazy jealous.

R.F.: And we were so good! [Both laugh.]

The novel “Wuthering Heights” wasn’t warmly received by critics initially, and it didn’t air on TV until after the success of “Schindler’s List.” Conversely, “The English Patient” was a huge critical triumph and garnered numerous Oscars. Navigating these two vastly different receptions, so close in time – one marked by success and the other not exactly a failure but…

Response: One way of putting it could be: You come to understand Buddhism by learning not to take things too personally when they don’t go as planned, or when they turn out better than expected. I have managed to do this, but I am unsure if you have as well.

It took some getting used to. Initially, I felt quite disheartened. Despite being a well-known classic, the reviews ranged from average to negative.

J.B.: You have to detach yourself from the nonsense.

R.F.: You have to move on.

In France previously, success in film wasn’t primarily a concern for actors or directors. The responsibility of making a movie successful fell upon producers and distributors. However, as artists, it held less significance. Nowadays, things have drastically changed; actors often share their box office figures on Instagram, indicating an increased focus on commercial success.

R.F.: You’re saying in French cinema now there’s an emphasis on box office over critical success?

J.B.: Indeed, the focus is on outcomes now. Even if the quality isn’t perfect, it has transformed significantly. I have no issue with a movie that succeeds and functions well; that’s fantastic. Exceptional art films can also perform admirably. However, it’s simple to succumb to the desire for acclaim. While everyone needs acknowledgment, actors might require more recognition than average individuals.

R.F.: That’s true.

J.B.: Or why would we put ourselves in this place?

As a passionate cinephile reflecting on our third joint production, “The Return”, I’d like to share a scene from each film that stands out for me. In the case of our first collaboration, “Wuthering Heights”, it was during the final stages of shooting when we were both emotionally drained. I remember feeling close to breaking point, and Ralph seemed to be pleading with me not to push myself too far. That moment of shared vulnerability is something I’ll never forget.

In the novel “Wuthering Heights,” your response was exceptional and awe-inspiring. There were distinct footprints on the floor, and your anger was palpable as you aggressively stomped on that wooden marker with the colored tape. You exclaimed, “I detest limitations.” That moment has always stayed with me. I remember thinking, “That’s the kind of passion I aspire to possess.

In “The English Patient,” a scene stands out where I shattered a morphine vial with such force that it cut my fingers and caused bleeding. This happened as Anthony continued firing, and Ralph showed distress. This moment left a deep impression on me.

In “The Return,” there was a day when your presence wasn’t required on set. However, not only did you decide to show up behind the scenes for me, but you also donned the basic costume elements. This scene didn’t involve any dialogue or even a direct eyeline match. Such dedication is quite uncommon.

‘I’d Better Watch Out or I’m Gonna Fall in Love With This Guy’

How frequently did your paths cross during the production of Wuthering Heights, The English Patient, and The Return?
J.B.: That varied.

R.F.: There are times when we don’t connect. And times we do.

J.B.: I came to see you in London to play Macbeth. You came to see me play Antigone.

R.F.: I saw it twice.

J.B.: Since our schedules and travels as actors often keep us apart, it’s hard for me to measure the length of time we’ve been separated or not communicated. With our roles taking us into different eras in films, there are instances when I find myself immersed in a sort of alternate reality. In this inner space, I don’t have much connection with actual time.

Have you two established a secret language or shortcuts during your collaboration? Perhaps unspoken signals, subtle phrases, or private codes? [Both give each other a deep, wordless gaze.]

Are you doing it right now?
J.B.: I do remember one thing. But I don’t think I’m gonna tell it.

R.F.: Don’t! If you have that thought, then don’t.

A.H: I have a sense of respect for you. Despite our differences, there’s a strong connection between us. Even if I feel slightly irritated with you, it doesn’t last long. It’s not something major.

I seldom feel upset myself, and it truly displeases me to imagine causing distress to Juliette. If by any chance I’ve done so, then I apologize sincerely.

It’s challenging for me to respond accurately. I am familiar with you, but at the same time, there are aspects of you that remain unknown. To put it another way, have you noticed any significant changes in yourself over the course of our relationship?

R.F.: You do know me.

J.B.: I know you. But I don’t know everything about you.

In simpler terms, the speaker is expressing that their friendship with Juliette has grown stronger over time. They feel understood by her, accepting all their flaws and imperfections, and they believe they are also known by her in return, although there are aspects of her life they don’t know, such as her children. The shared experiences in various plays have made this friendship significant to them, as it is always a delight to see each other on stage. Essentially, the speaker cherishes their deep and meaningful friendship with Juliette.

J.B.: And I’ve met your parents. It’s very meaningful to have known your parents.

When did you meet them?
J.B.: Several times I met your mother.

R.F.: My mom came to the set of Wuthering Heights.

J.B.: And we had dinner at your place. He prepared an orange duck. He’s a very good cook.

R.F.: Did I do that?

J.B.’s Account: The experiences were unforgettable. On one occasion, I was seated between your parents, and when he visited Paris, I offered my house for you and your spouse to stay in. Upon his departure, he left a large drawing behind. Moments like that leave an imprint on the heart. After wrapping up the filming of Chocolat, Johnny Depp gifted me an exceptional bottle of Cheval Blanc wine. Ralph Fiennes also invited me for breakfast with director Jonathan Kent, whom we had collaborated with. We went to Ralph’s residence for brunch; he was preparing it. I assumed we would share the bottle then, but we didn’t open it. I felt a bit let down. I jokingly mentioned, “We’ll open it next time.” A few years later, when I visited his new home, I inquired about the bottle. He responded, “I drank it.” I was taken aback, saying, “Are you serious? You didn’t save some for me?” I exclaimed, “What a breach of trust!” [Laughs heartily and slaps the table.]

Did you realize how elegant it was? I hadn’t known it was intended for unveiling during brunch.

J.B.: I forgive you. I forgive you.

As a connoisseur, I’m on the hunt for another bottle of that exceptional French Bordeaux. I can assure you, we’ll savor every drop.

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In terms of our professional paths, you’ve chosen to step away from Hollywood and accepted fewer roles than expected, which left many people astonished. Upon reflection, there are numerous similarities in how we’ve managed our careers. Have we ever talked about these career choices? To be honest, I don’t think we discuss it extensively, but I’ve always admired your work, the directors you’ve collaborated with, and their ability to create films they truly wanted to make. It’s been a source of benign envy for me.

J.B.: Do you mean you’re a little jealous of me?

R.F.: Yes. Working with Claire Denis …

J.B.: Yeah, but it’ll come, Ralph. Don’t worry!

R.F.: Claire Denis doesn’t pick up the phone when I call her. [Laughs.] 

The theater has been a constant source of stability for you, with your passion for Shakespeare leading the way. Although I didn’t attend performances frequently, I’ve still dabbled in various shows like dance and singing productions. However, the affection for theater is truly unique because it offers a return to familiar comforts whenever needed.

In a simpler phrase, you could say: “Juliette is remarkably bold and often makes unconventional decisions, while I tend to favor more traditional paths.

Ralph is currently engaged in film direction. I’ve noticed firsthand the challenges that come with it.

R.F.: She directed me recently.

As a movie enthusiast, I’m referring to a brief film featuring Anish Kapoor. The story revolves around a journey in Paris, delivering a painting to a collector, with Ralph portraying the collector himself. However, the production seems to be stuck. Consequently, I might consider an alternative approach to bring it to life. The challenge lies in securing funding for this project. We’ll have to wait and see; it’s currently on hold. Yet, there’s a hilarious scene that you played which I found particularly amusing.

R.F.: She enjoyed pushing me.

J.B.: I was pushing you a lot.

How’d you push him?
R.F.: She’d say, “I don’t know, Ralph, something’s not connecting.” And then she’d say, “Yeah, that was good — because I irritated you, suddenly it works!” [Both laugh.]

J.B.: You got grumpy.

R.F.: “You got a bit grumpy, Ralph, but actually this is your best take.”

J.B.: I was teasing him a lot. He played the game very well.

Have you noticed that over time, Ralph’s acting skills have significantly improved, or do you think there are particular methods he employs during his performances that have proven to be timeless? In my opinion, Ralph consistently demonstrates an intense focus and dedication, as if every scene is the most crucial moment in his life.

From Juliette, I’ve learned that sometimes allowing unexpected events to occur can lead to the most authentic performances. As someone who values understanding the underlying context and shaping a scene, this approach might initially seem counterintuitive to me. However, István Szabó, a Hungarian film director, once explained to me that “film is about close-ups; it’s capturing emotions as they first appear on an actor’s face.” This method can feel restrictive at times, but it’s essential to keep moving and discovering new territory. That’s what makes Juliette exceptional – she has a knack for instinctively finding where something intriguing happens.

J.B.: Actors discover that it’s not their personal desire making things happen; rather, it’s about letting events occur within them.

Precisely. That’s the guidance I received from RADA’s principle during my audition, when unfortunately I didn’t secure a spot. It was my third try. He suggested, “I believe you have acting potential, but there’s one point to consider: Stop forcing it; allow it to flow naturally.

Regarding your point about benign envy that you’ve mentioned a few times, Ralph, I’m curious if it was at all awkward for you when Juliette won the Oscar for ‘The English Patient’, and you didn’t?

J.B.: Actually, I recall your kind action vividly. As I approached the stage, you tapped my arm just so, and it struck me as, “Here is Ralph.” I distinctly remember you pulling me close out of joy.

The focus is on being kind and considerate. When you see someone engaged in an activity, a thought might cross your mind like, “I wish I could be doing that too.” However, your feelings towards them are affectionate rather than envious or competitive. It’s not about questioning why they are doing it instead of you.

You had quite the Sherlock Holmes-esque moment back then.
J.B.: Yes, I recall that we were dining at a restaurant and spotted an actor known for playing Sherlock Holmes. You exclaimed, “I should have been Sherlock Holmes!” That’s correct.

R.F.: [Laughs loudly.] I don’t remember that.

J.B.: It was so funny. 

Have there been any collaborative projects in the past that you and I almost embarked upon but ultimately didn’t, or ideas we considered working together on that didn’t come to fruition? If so, perhaps it’s time for us to share a stage again, provided we can find a project that truly resonates with us and a suitable director.

At our initial encounter, there was a moment of apprehension because Ralph bore a strong resemblance to my previous partner, which made me hesitant and even feel a bit uneasy.

You mean Daniel Day-Lewis?
J.B.: No.

Have we ever talked about taking our friendship to a deeper level over the years we’ve known each other and worked together, or was it always just friendship for both of us?

J.B.: Well, he’s always been kind of busy with his love life.

R.F.: I do think it’s a big love. The love that can exist between friends.

But did you ever have a crush on Juliette?
R.F.: Oh, yes. Yes! Who wouldn’t?

Her The Unbearable Lightness of Being co-star and rumored ex.
To ex-wife Alex Kingston.
Fiennes is described as follows in one 1995 piece in the Los Angeles Times, titled “Cerebral Vortex”: “As the reluctant promoter for his films Schindler’s List (1993), Quiz Show (1994) and now Strange Days (which opened Friday) begins to speak about his rapid rise to Hollywood’s coveted elite, he unconsciously pulls two throw pillows close and clutches them, creating a sort of fortress around himself. Fiennes is notoriously private, afraid that through a glance or smile he might give away some secret to his soul and betray the man behind the facade. He talks in hushed, proper-sounding British, addressing no one in particular as he stares straight ahead at a television that is not turned on.” In a 1995 piece on Binoche in Scotland on Sunday, she gamely challenges the interviewer when he asks her if she “still feels French”: “Hotheaded, passionate? In that sense I’m French,” she concedes, “and always will be.”
The film received 12 nominations at the 1997 Academy Awards, winning nine, including Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress for Binoche.
Binoche turned down Steven Spielberg for Schindler’s List, Jurassic Park, and Indiana Jones 3, and Fiennes turned down Cutthroat Island and The Saint, among others.
2008’s In-i, a piece of dance theater devised by and starring Binoche and Akram Khan.
2018’s C’est Presque Rien, a solo performance with piano, done as a homage to French singer Barbara.
Starting with 2011’s Coriolanus.

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